Fiat Chrysler, PSA in merger talks, WSJ says

[pumadog]

So can someone tell me how would Chrysler get a new product suitable for America when PSA is not making AWD cars, no petrol engine larger than 1.6... Please, tell me. How is Peugeot your saviour?

Not based on current products. But as Peugeot wanted to re-enter America they would need to adjust anyway. Shared development for new products might make it possible (if there's money to make with mainstream cars in the US)

Edit: I think FCA is heading to AWD via hybrid engines in more and more applications. Are the EMP2 hybrids planned to power the front wheels?

 

[TripleT]

I know that some guys(@Page2171) from the other forum are watching this and I know that they are hoping for new Chrysler products. Chrysler as brand. Dodge will get new products, no worry about it.

So can someone tell me how would Chrysler get a new product suitable for America when PSA is not making AWD cars, no petrol engine larger than 1.6... Please, tell me. How is Peugeot your saviour?

I think that North American business will more or less stay as it is. UAW workers don't have to worry for their jobs.

Because FCA doesn't need saving they need a good dance partner... Merging with a Company with redundant technology is wasteful and creates conflict.

There is no doubt who has best AWD and large displacement technology in the merger.

 

[GasAxe]

I don’t believe we’ll see much of a change with the Mopar brand strategy. I’m hopeful the time between refreshing models will return to a 4-5 year cycle. What I dread is another delusion of grandeur return of Peugeot to NA. Let’s hope they learned from the Fiat example of how not to reintroduce marginal brands. I doubt there is money to be made selling tens of French cars per month in the US and Canada.

 

[Ryan]

What would be stopping them from putting the 2.0 in a Peugeot vehicle?

 

[TripleT]

What would be stopping them from putting the 2.0 in a Peugeot vehicle?

time

 

[Bili]

Not based on current products. But as Peugeot wanted to re-enter America they would need to adjust anyway. Shared development for new products might make it possible (if there's money to make with mainstream cars in the US)

Edit: I think FCA is heading to AWD via hybrid engines in more and more applications. Are the EMP2 hybrids planned to power the front wheels?

There's not much space available for production in North America.

Peugeot has both P2 and P4 PHEV in the pipeline for FWD based cars. P4 means eAWD. That's not the way to go in North America and it's not have you make classic AWD car.

In addition to that it seems that FCA is spending big time for a Small Wide.

CMP is much more interesting for FCA especially for a Fiat brand.

 

[Bili]

I don’t believe we’ll see much of a change with the Mopar brand strategy. I’m hopeful the time between refreshing models will return to a 4-5 year cycle. What I dread is another delusion of grandeur return of Peugeot to NA. Let’s hope they learned from the Fiat example of how not to reintroduce marginal brands. I doubt there is money to be made selling tens of French cars per month in the US and Canada.

4-5 years model cycle? Really!? Industry norm is 7 to 8 years and could get longer.

 

[Bili]

With possible merger Europe will become more profitable than North America.

 

[TripleT]

For sure this is way more about Europe then the Americas

 

[Ryan]

4-5 years model cycle? Really!? Industry norm is 7 to 8 years and could get longer.

Think he's talking about mid-cycle updates, not redesigns.

 

[ViperDave]

I hope they see what Fiats mistake was when they came back here. What they cant do is have stand alone dealers. They need to rebadge and this is where Chrysler comes in. PSA has some really nice luxury cars and CUV,s. Rebadge them as Chryslers. I don't expect they think there whole lineup is going to come back here anyway. FCA is in this for market share over there also.

Don't forget when Chrysler merged with Fiat, Fiat really didn't have a lot of large engine also. Mainly 4 cyl engines

 

[Bili]

Yeah, very nice like 1.6 as the biggest engine and no AWD. FCA US crowd would wait for it in queues.

 

[TripleT]

Rebadge or not the existing dealer networks should be leveraged.... that mistake has been clearly documented and accounted for.

 

[redriderbob]

Peugeot and Citroen have some really interesting vehicles. It will be interesting to see how the design studio intertwine. FCA already has several of PSA Groupe vehicles in its fleet in Auburn Hills.

 

[redriderbob]

Spied In The USA: Hey There, Peugeot 3008, You’re On The Wrong Continent! | Carscoops

 

[AlexB]

Totally ironic: GM may have 'thrown out baby with bathwater' in Opel sale, says Fiat chief

“I understand that they (GM) want to get out just to get rid of the problem, but you may have thrown out the baby with the bathwater,” he added.

 

[TripleT]

think they have designed out the bubble sides haven't they.... Actually in tight parking area it s pretty good idea but goodness it was unattractive but Citroen has a established history of being a little funky

 

[AlexB]

The other Chrysler PSA deal: The orginal Chrysler Europe is reunited with Mopar to be buried along side Plymouth: Chrysler Europe - Wikipedia

 

[GasAxe]

Think he's talking about mid-cycle updates, not redesigns.

Yes, mid cycle refreshes. I believe today’s “platform” allows for a longer period between all new models, maybe up to 15 years. Those models should be refreshed more often though, and not just new stickers. I hope more funds will be made available for updated sheet metal, all within constraints of the production line.

 

[Bili]

Yes, mid cycle refreshes. I believe today’s “platform” allows for a longer period between all new models, maybe up to 15 years. Those models should be refreshed more often though, and not just new stickers. I hope more funds will be made available for updated sheet metal, all within constraints of the production line.

Actually I think that even model should be replace after 8 years. But yes, it should keep its platform and all hard points. Just look at what VW did with Golf in Europe. Golf it the best selling car in Europe.