FCA direction on regulation changes

Europe is a completely different environment for EVs
So is Canada, despite some of that country's major population centers being very close to some major population centers in the United States. What I find interesting is that recently announced BEV and PHEV offerings for Europe will be available in Canada and not in the USA.

San Fransisco is already implementing Zero Emission Zones and Geo-Fencing for its public transit fleet. I suspect it will become a proof of technology for various other cities interested in this concept for private vehicles as well.
 

KrisW

Member
Canadian availability of European EVs is because Canada, like Mexico, allows registration of vehicles that are certified under either the United States (FMVSS) or the Rest-of-the-world (UNECE) safety standards, so it's simply a matter of putting cars on boats: no modification necessary (the speedo is in kilometers already!).

The ZEV cordons are something that will come quite soon: there's - it's another step on from the current High-Occupancy Toll-lane plans. The amount of equipment in modern cars would make it pretty easy to make a PHEV vehicle compliant with these rules (the vehicle can notify an agency that it is driving on battery power only, and the agency will waive a toll fee).

It's ironic that a lot of effort is being spent on clean buses. It's a good thing, but in the grand scheme of things, you could run buses on dirt and cooking grease and it wouldn't have a negative effect on air quality so long as people got out of their cars and used them. One bus = 70 cars at current US average occupancies.
 

Bili

Official Pilot
Staff member
Canadian availability of European EVs is because Canada, like Mexico, allows registration of vehicles that are certified under either the United States (FMVSS) or the Rest-of-the-world (UNECE) safety standards, so it's simply a matter of putting cars on boats: no modification necessary (the speedo is in kilometers already!).

This should be related to EU-Canada FTA. AFAIK it was not possible earlier but I may be wrong.
 

KrisW

Member
I think you're right. The EU-Canada trade deal may be the reason why it's now easier. Also, pretty obvioulsy, EV's don't have emssions, so they don't need to be adjusted for North American emissions regulations ;)
 

TripleT

Well-known member
I think you're right. The EU-Canada trade deal may be the reason why it's now easier. Also, pretty obvioulsy, EV's don't have emssions, so they don't need to be adjusted for North American emissions regulations ;)
Hold your horses cowboy.... that the issue... Yes they have emissions.... they are just remote.... In my area the emission of a EV is higher the a petrol engine..... so the formula needs to be adjusted.... Point taken though.
 

KrisW

Member
It's not like oil is refined into gasoline by magical, clean pixies, though, is it?

... and electricity can be generated in ways that don't involve burning fuel.
 

Freshforged

Active member
Not a good move IMHO. I could outline my reasoning, but I doubt it will find a receptive audience. Suffice to say, auto brands that support this move are setting themselves up for failure with regards to long term development and future-proofing their brand identitie, let alone their products.
 

GasAxe

Active member
Very interesting that Subaru, the granola brand, is supporting the Trump plan.

Perhaps the issue isn’t that California has a waiver for stricter standards, it’s how so many states are following the CARB rules. I’d grant that Cali has reason for the waiver but other states should have to be granted their own waiver if they want out of the federal standards.
 

Blown7

Active member
IMHO California should have had a time limit placed on their wavier so that it had a drop dead date.

Gramted they have a problem where mountain curtail the airflow out of the valley and on to the East.. but the rest of the country should not have to suffer...`

And because California has the biggest sales out of the 49 states...... the manufacturers have to bow to their standards or spend lots of extra cash creating two models of everthing in their line up...

Heck I live in New England where the air doesn't stop till it hits Europe...
 

vipergg

New member
I dont think anyone wants to see it go backwards but going forward I think everyone should have one set of rules to go by and not one that is ruled by California .
 

vipergg

New member
I read in an article somewhere that the companies in this suit are not pushing for a relaxation of the requirements but rather a uniform nationwide requirement, be it the equivalent of CA or even more stringent. I would think that should apply to the various gasoline blends as well. Have a uniform, or at least a few regional summer and winter blends. the previous administration was pushing for that but nothing ever came of it.
This is the way it should be . They also have to be reasonable , the Obama era rules were not reasonable . there has to be a happy middle ground .
 
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