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Electric Or Bust! What Is Your Opinion?

What would you choose?

  • Internal Combustion Engine (ICE)

    Votes: 33 55.0%
  • Mild-Hybrid (mHEV)

    Votes: 4 6.7%
  • Plug-In Hybrid (PHEV)

    Votes: 15 25.0%
  • Battery Electric Vehicle (BEV)

    Votes: 8 13.3%

  • Total voters
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Tony K

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MOST importantly for most of this demographic, the ability to drive 300-ish miles, stop, fill up in 5 minutes and do it again, and again…many times with the family and gear in tow. BEVs will never be able to provide this.
A nonsensical requirement. Given home charging, and charging at other stopping points such as hotels, restaurants, Interstate rest stops, etc, a 10-15 minute charge is acceptable. Plus, your closing assumption is probably wrong. Never-land is a dangerous place to go.
Also, the power supplier can manipulate the charge rate per kW.
Regulated utilities are not able to do this without going through the state authorities.
 

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Right now? Probably a PHEV. Down the road, a BEV, but I could buy that now, because I'll probably keep the diesel Jeep (08 GC) anyway for towing, and the Challenger has the lifetime powertrain warranty. Plus, it's an 09 Challenger R/T M6, and to date, the only new vehicle I've ever purchased.
 

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I spent some behind the wheel time in a new Ford Escape hybrid AWD. This wasn't the plugin model because that option is front drive only. I only drove in the passageways in the complex where the public isn't supposed to be, but I was surprised the IC engine didn't kick on at all. Previously our fleet had a sweetheart deal with Ford to purchase Fusion hybrid models. These were our only hybrid models outside of California and Hawaii. Most of the Fusions I drove were 2019 models and ran very smoothly.

The Escape hybrid was much nicer than the Fusions were despite having the same powertrain. It will be interesting to see what happens when the Maverick hybrid goes on sale.

The way thing look my next vehicle will be a regular ICE. The only PHEVs offered by Ma Mopar right now are the expensive Jeep Wrangler 4Xe and the Pacifica hybrid. The battery electric Fiat 500e being a best seller is good news for Fiat, but bad news for us in America, who are waiting for such things.
 

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...the power supplier can manipulate the charge rate per kW.
Regulated utilities are not able to do this without going through the state authorities.

Here is a link to my electric utility's home charging an EV web page. This is regulated by the individual states, so contact your provider to learn what programs are available in your area. It won't be the same in every location.

 

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Electric charging station regulations will kill any efforts to make them as available as gas stations.

I've been pondering opening an electric charging station. If govt tried to regulate what I charge customers, kiss it goodbye and walk the rest of the way.
 

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Have you seen price on VAG owned chargers in US? No one would like to have BEV with such price.

Yes, I'm concerned with electric charging price. It's not rosy, far from that.

Then for example for longer battery life the best solution is slow charging overnight at home.
And here we come to my own problem. My family is living in a condominium. We own two parking spots in a garage which is bellow a building I live in. It's 2 levels bellow the ground.
How to install charger, my private charger. How to fill an electric car?
As you know. I'm behind the idea of BEV models in the European A and B segments, not so for bigger cars. But as you can see we have many practical obstacles.
We rejected individually owned electric charging units in our condo building for several reason...including the high cost of liability insurance against the installer of the units. The only way it would work is if the building installed a large amount of condo owned charging unit at a very extensive cost...and that many owners in the building don't want to pay for. Name one thing in life where the cost has come down? EV are only surviving because we the taxpayers are subsidizing them. There are times and places when an EV makes sense, and when a hybrid makes sense, and when a ICE makes sense. The danger to Alfa Romeo is that they we become a badge engineered car with a generic off the shelf electric engine. I sure won't buy one.
 

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Another reason why EV cars won't pick up on time as people are hoping for:


Semiconductor supply chain issues have been quietly managed by the automotive in the past but now is a time for change, according to Kroeger, who believes demand is only going to increase with the rise of electric vehicles and autonomous vehicles.

“Every car that gets smarter needs more semiconductors,” Kroeger said.

Electric cars need very powerful and efficient semiconductors in order to to get more range out of each kilowatt hour of battery, he added.

UBS analyst Francois-Xavier Bouvignies told CNBC last week that cars with internal combustion engines typically use around $80 worth of semiconductors in the powertrain, but electric vehicles use around $550 worth.
 

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I've been pondering opening an electric charging station.
If by "electric charging station" you mean a multi-point charging facility specifically for that purpose on dedicated real estate, I don't see where such a thing would exist as a stand-alone entity aside from as part of a service center on a toll road, or similar, where you might need to do other things like eat, use sanitary facilities, or just stop and stretch. Electric charging will most likely and most usefully exist in places people go to do other things, like restaurants, hotels, and shopping, or just parking spaces on the street or in a garage. There's no reason to have a specific "filling station" facility, since there's no hazmat, the system is fully automated, etc.
 

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Need to listen to George Carlin on how to "save the planet" lol
The July 8th conference will tell us about Stellantis' electric future, so I am curious to know what you all truly think about the future of electric vehicles.

(No arguing, please be polite and respectful, I really don't want to hear negativity or have to delete any post or lock this post).
I might consider a Hybrid but not the full electric. On AutoLine they said that all the batteries would have to be replaced every 5 to 6 years as per specifications. How much is that going to cost? I don't think our grid has enough juice to have thousands of car pluged in. I am waiting for the hydrogen cars that runs on water.
 

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Your grid is kicking its heels every night. Adding load at night for car charging is not a problem. Nobody’s expecting the electricity to be supplied for free, so there’s a commercial incentive for producers to provide it: after all, the US electricity grid was able to deal with data-centers springing up and consuming the load of a small city at one site; EVs will be a piece of cake.

Fuelling a hydrogen car on water requires electricity to break that water into Hydrogen and Oxygen. You don’t burn the hydrogen in an engine (doing that is about half as efficient as burning gasoline, which is already pretty inefficient). Instead, you push it through a fuel-cell which makes electricity, and you use that electricity to drive the wheels.
 

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Electric charging station regulations will kill any efforts to make them as available as gas stations.

I've been pondering opening an electric charging station. If govt tried to regulate what I charge customers, kiss it goodbye and walk the rest of the way.
I'm serious about this, even though it seems outlandish. In the right location, I could see a laundromat with some charging stations. The right location would be somewhere with a high population density. Population density is high where there are a lot of multi-unit apartment buildings. The building I live in has a small coin laundry room. There are some new laundromats being built in an adjacent first ring suburb from where my apartment is, so obviously there are a lot of people who don't have a washer and drier in their homes. Most BEV sales at the present time are to affluent people living in oversized dwellings in far flung exurban locations. As the technology becomes more affordable, real people will buy battery electric vehicles, while living in apartments where such vehicles can't be charged in a practical manner. A combination laundromat and charging station will make sense at that time.

Battery electrics are affordable now thanks to the CARB zero emissions mandates. Off-lease compliance cars are very affordable as well as ones like the Nissan Leaf. The new electric Mini is showing signs of success and hopefully it will inspire Fiat to offer the new 500e in our marketplace.
 

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I hope no one minds if I use this thread to report EV news. Personally, I am not a fan of Mazda products due to issues I have had with them at work. Still I find the recently announced Mazda MX-30 EV both interesting and puzzling. It is a substantial effort for the brand, but I find the 100 mile range to be rather low compared to the competition. I was going to use the term rumored to mention the rotary powered hybrid version of this model, but Mazda on their website says that one is on the way as well. That is more than a rumor. All New Mazda MX-30 Electric Car & Plug-in Hybrid Vehicle | Mazda USA

The MX-30 EV reminds me of the BMW i3 when it was introduced. That BMW model was available either as a full BEV or a range extended EV. BMW later dropped the range extending ICE option. The i3 still strikes me as rather toy like, while the Mazda appears to be a real car.
 

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I hope no one minds if I use this thread to report EV news. Personally, I am not a fan of Mazda products due to issues I have had with them at work. Still I find the recently announced Mazda MX-30 EV both interesting and puzzling. It is a substantial effort for the brand, but I find the 100 mile range to be rather low compared to the competition. I was going to use the term rumored to mention the rotary powered hybrid version of this model, but Mazda on their website says that one is on the way as well. That is more than a rumor. All New Mazda MX-30 Electric Car & Plug-in Hybrid Vehicle | Mazda USA

The MX-30 EV reminds me of the BMW i3 when it was introduced. That BMW model was available either as a full BEV or a range extended EV. BMW later dropped the range extending ICE option. The i3 still strikes me as rather toy like, while the Mazda appears to be a real car.

80% of 100 miles in 36 minutes lol
 

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How can they get a rotary engine to comply with emissions regulations? Wankel engines are as dirty as two-strokes: the lubricant mixes with the fuel.
 

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Well, this is interesting.
BMW and Mercedes-AMG will not stop ICE engines by 2030, and the German environment agency, which is equivalent to EPA, is suing them.

 

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Well, this is interesting.
BMW and Mercedes-AMG will not stop ICE engines by 2030, and the German environment agency, which is equivalent to EPA, is suing them.

So much for freedom and letting the market speak.
 

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Toyota is fighting back the local Japanese authorities, and they are not even moving to EV only, but Japanese government is asking to have all new vehicles to be BEV or PHEV by 2035.
Italy is also fighting EU to protect their own ICE production, which could protect Ferrari, Lamborghini and Pagani.
 

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How can they get a rotary engine to comply with emissions regulations? Wankel engines are as dirty as two-strokes: the lubricant mixes with the fuel.
Mazda hasn't released such details of how they will obtain emissions compliance. The delays in the project may be evidence of the challenges involved. Outsiders with serious technical and engineering knowledge have speculated how it can be done. Because the rotary engine is basically used as a generator for the batteries, it can run at a specific RPM range where efficiency is highest and emissions are the lowest. The electric generator which is connected to the rotary engine to charge the batteries can also be used to spin up the rotary engine so that it doesn't have to burn petrol at low speeds. The high voltage battery pack found in electric vehicles could also provide power to preheat emissions control devices for cold start compliance. These are educated guesses from knowledgeable people who have worked with such technology with conventional piston engines.

We won't know for sure until the real thing is rolling on the pavement.
 

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