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Dodge Teases Next Generation Of eMuscle Cars During EV Day 2021 Presentation:

Dodge Teases Next Generation Of eMuscle Cars During EV Day 2021 Presentation:​

All-Electric Dodge Muscle Car Will Be Coming To Market In 2024...​


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With the era of supercharged HEMI engines coming to an end, Stellantis made sure that the Dodge brand was 1 of the 6 brands chosen from the 14 brand portfolio to discuss its future electrified intentions during the company’s EV Day 2021 presentation. In recent interviews, Dodge CEO Tim Kuniskis promised a special surprise for Dodge enthusiasts during the event. Instead of an unveiling, we were treated with a bit of information and a teaser of the future of Dodge electrified muscle cars or eMuscle cars as they are calling it.

 
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Tim is always wearing sneakers, like Sergio and sweaters.:D
 

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Governments around the globe are mandating huge reductions in CO2 emissions, and unfortunately the traditional ICE tuning days are coming to an end. I still don’t believe these auto manufacturers will come close to meeting all their EV goals. Furthermore, with the rolling electrical blackout issues in so many areas, no one has contemplated how they are going to charge millions of EVs without a huge increase in electrical output.
 

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The light up grill screams 1968-1970 charger. There were rumors of a Baracuda return as well but the word "Charger" is so ripe for wordplay with electricity that it seems to be a given that this would be the 2024 Charger and that the challenger will appear after.

I for one hope it looks more like a 2011 than a 2015 Charger - and even MORE like the 1969 than ever.

Key thing is the sound though, and I cannot stress this enough... If they can get those electric motors to scream like a pair of loud ass superchargers, they'll win most of us lead foots over. But if that thing pulls off the line in silence; it'll be the end of the road for Dodge.

If ANYONE at "Stellantis" is listening; There's still time!

MAKE IT LOUD AND MAKE IT PROUD

(*Don't **** it up* 😊)
 

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Hope, anticipation, acceptance and resolve all these this video evokes from this “Dodge Boy”. Yea, I was part of the “Dodge Rebellion” and I was identified as “Dodge Material” from day one. So going electric makes me hope for great things from Dodge, makes me anticipate ground breaking new technology from Dodge. Stubbornly forces acceptability of the evolution of Dodge on this old school fan. but also fosters resolve to preserve the muscle car essence of Dodge for generations to follow. You never know, I might just buy one of these next generation Dodges sometime soon. Guess we can add SPECULATION to that list. Dodge after all is the Brotherhood of Muscle. Sparks my Dodge DNA too.
 

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The world is changing, do I want to give up my 392, roaring Charger NO… but if we have to move towards an electric future I would still love a Dodge Charger variant.. all four smoking wheels blowing of Tesla’s and horses. But here is my fear, electricity cost money, like gas.. 900hp electric vehicle with lead feet drivers will need to charge just about every few hours.. How long till we get limited on how much electricity you can draw a day to charge your Charger..
 

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We will see, I sure it is fast.... but how you insert soul into a electric appliance is quite a challenge.
 

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We will see, I sure it is fast.... but how you insert soul into a electric appliance is quite a challenge.
Lots of old-school design themes, I'm sure, maybe some interesting sound effects, and drag racing-focused features like they did on the Demon.
 

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So, I'm a pretty old gearhead, brought up sniffing leaded premium fumes most of my life. Past 15 years with a Hemi Daytona, and still have a '69 with a 440 Magnum, along with many other muscle cars in between. We went through a very dismal, dark time from the early 70s until about the mid 90s. We weathered that storm, and out of that change came some fantastic vehicles, up until today. We are currently re-living an era circa about 1971. The heydays of the Hemi, and internal combustion engines in general, are nearing an end. Like it or not, this is an inevitable FACT.

While Dodge may not be the 1st to join the electrification process, I think there are some positives to that. I have watched over the last 10 years or so the slow, and often painful progression of manufacturers perfecting better cars, better electronics, but most importantly, better batteries, charging systems and range. Dodge will have an opportunity to jump into the ring with a lot of the technology issues already ironed out, or under way.

Yesterday, after the presentation, I actually wrote to Tim Kuniskis some of my thoughts on all of this. Bottom line is I feel that not having to worry about emissions and eking out every ounce of fuel for MPGs, there will be fewer constraints on designers to have to make everything as aero as possible. That being said, with the right platform and underpinnings, you are freer to slap on a multitude of body stylings. See where this is headed? My comments to him, especially after seeing the Fratzog, and what appeared to be a lighted outline of a very familiar body style from the past, was make models with all of the modern "stuff", but with retro body styles, aka '68-'70 B bodies, 70s E bodies, or even older 50s or 60s body styles. You can stamp body panels pretty much into many shapes and install on maybe a couple different chassis sizes. Plus, with AWD, you have quicker acceleration, and vehicles you can now drive even in inclement weather. I was shocked when I actually got a brief reply back from him last night, hinting I was on the right track, alluding to the throwback Fratzog and outline shown.

Do I prefer the smells of premium gas, the sounds of a thumping cam in a Hemi, a loud exhaust, or the whine of a supercharger? HELL YES! But, if a guy like me who's older than dirt can accept this change, then I think the future of performance, although looking and sounding radically different than today, will be alive and well. We thought once we got past the early 70s, the V8, and all performance as we knew it was totally dead. Then came convertors, low compression, and all sorts of power robbing emission equipment that made cars amenic, and quite frankly, an embarrassing joke. Then, slowly, towards the 90s, we started to see a resurgence of higher compression, higher horsepower, and more V8s. Then even the tiny motors got in on the party. Turbos, superchargers, all helped by computers. I'm a sucker for a high horsepower car with NO computers. The simpler the better, but I actually have learned to work with computers in business, as well as dabble in tuning them some in modern cars. I see the glass as 1/2 FULL - the future being bright for a new era of car entusiasts!
 

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So, I'm a pretty old gearhead, brought up sniffing leaded premium fumes most of my life. Past 15 years with a Hemi Daytona, and still have a '69 with a 440 Magnum, along with many other muscle cars in between. We went through a very dismal, dark time from the early 70s until about the mid 90s. We weathered that storm, and out of that change came some fantastic vehicles, up until today. We are currently re-living an era circa about 1971. The heydays of the Hemi, and internal combustion engines in general, are nearing an end. Like it or not, this is an inevitable FACT.

While Dodge may not be the 1st to join the electrification process, I think there are some positives to that. I have watched over the last 10 years or so the slow, and often painful progression of manufacturers perfecting better cars, better electronics, but most importantly, better batteries, charging systems and range. Dodge will have an opportunity to jump into the ring with a lot of the technology issues already ironed out, or under way.

Yesterday, after the presentation, I actually wrote to Tim Kuniskis some of my thoughts on all of this. Bottom line is I feel that not having to worry about emissions and eking out every ounce of fuel for MPGs, there will be fewer constraints on designers to have to make everything as aero as possible. That being said, with the right platform and underpinnings, you are freer to slap on a multitude of body stylings. See where this is headed? My comments to him, especially after seeing the Fratzog, and what appeared to be a lighted outline of a very familiar body style from the past, was make models with all of the modern "stuff", but with retro body styles, aka '68-'70 B bodies, 70s E bodies, or even older 50s or 60s body styles. You can stamp body panels pretty much into many shapes and install on maybe a couple different chassis sizes. Plus, with AWD, you have quicker acceleration, and vehicles you can now drive even in inclement weather. I was shocked when I actually got a brief reply back from him last night, hinting I was on the right track, alluding to the throwback Fratzog and outline shown.

Do I prefer the smells of premium gas, the sounds of a thumping cam in a Hemi, a loud exhaust, or the whine of a supercharger? HELL YES! But, if a guy like me who's older than dirt can accept this change, then I think the future of performance, although looking and sounding radically different than today, will be alive and well. We thought once we got past the early 70s, the V8, and all performance as we knew it was totally dead. Then came convertors, low compression, and all sorts of power robbing emission equipment that made cars amenic, and quite frankly, an embarrassing joke. Then, slowly, towards the 90s, we started to see a resurgence of higher compression, higher horsepower, and more V8s. Then even the tiny motors got in on the party. Turbos, superchargers, all helped by computers. I'm a sucker for a high horsepower car with NO computers. The simpler the better, but I actually have learned to work with computers in business, as well as dabble in tuning them some in modern cars. I see the glass as 1/2 FULL - the future being bright for a new era of car entusiasts!


I agree with you @GT_PLUS
 

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Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for electrification, but I prefer the PHEV and Hybrid vehicles over the BEV for one reason and one reason only, the convenience of charging.
 

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Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for electrification, but I prefer the PHEV and Hybrid vehicles over the BEV for one reason and one reason only, the convenience of charging.
Not to go off topic, but RAM will give people the choice of belt Hybird/PHEV/Pure EV.
They are changing the name of PHEV too.
 

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Not to go off topic, but RAM will give people the choice of belt Hybird/PHEV/Pure EV.
They are changing the name of PHEV too.

So I think the upcoming Challenger and Charger should have the same since the technology and the knowledge are available in the house.
 

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Unlike what Ford did with the Mach E thing. I have faith that Dodge will continue to build proper muscle cars even if they are electric. Dodge doesn't build boring, there is no question about that. In other posts on other forums, I've mentioned that the deep core sound of an electric motor is very similar to that of a V10 engine, which Dodge had in it's Viper. While we may consider it "fake" sound, it is still sound that would go along with the performance of the vehicle giving a more "organic" experience. Let's say we liken an electric muscle car to a gaming computer. While having a fast processor is mandatory for smooth game play, the sound coming through the headphones or computer speakers puts you right in the midst of whatever game you are playing. The same concept applies for electric vehicles. Instead of piping diameter and muffler materials, the focus would be loud speakers, resonator chambers and sound tubes that would exit the rear of the vehicle in the same way an exhaust system would, or out of the side running through the rockers like the exhaust of the Dodge Viper. For us, the muscle car enthusiasts, Dodge knows the sound will have to be geared for that edgy performance tone that is deep and powerful. I also feel like Dodge is well aware of the customization aspect of Muscle cars and I'm sure that there will still be suspension upgrades, cooling upgrades, brake options and upgrades along with wheels, spoilers, trim levels, etc. throughout its new E-muscle lineup. I see names like the Charger Super BEE ( with on of the E's being electrified) being resurected. I'm sure that the Street and Racing Technology team will have their hands all over these new cars as well with improvements to suspension, chassis, overall power and styling. I'm also pretty confident that the new Ram E-1500 pickup will have a bit of that tech as well. I don't see the truck wars being over and a new Ram E-1500 Rumble Be"E" would be a great stablemate to a Charger Super Be"E". I'm sure somewhere in the mix there will be some kind of SRT Hammerhead technology which will be the terminology for the new E-muscle sensory system (lane assist, collision detection, etc along with a new color "Hammerhead grey" (just thoughts from the presentation). As I've said before, I'm not one for electrification but if Dodge is getting involved, I would at least consider it. I'm sure there will be 1400hp AWD Electric Dodge Muscle cars roaming the streets and I doubt they will be quiet. I see Dodge immediately rolling out a set of R/T vehicles with 495hp/680tq just to slap Ford's Mach E in the face with Daytona and T/A models pushing in the 530hp/700tq range with more SRT technology and then finally a top tier with 1400hp with all of them having a muscular performance sound to them that will still be about at loud as a Hellcat. I also feel like Dodge will introduce an E-Torqueflite multi-speed DCT with 3 or 4 forward gears and a reverse. This is the future I see when I think of Dodge's E-Muscle future and if something like this happens, then I'm on board with Electric vehicles. However, charging speeds will still have to be addressed and we will need more charging stations to go along with all of this.
 

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Everybody is excited about how quick the new BEVs are, but read the fine print. This is from the Fiat global website, so as a reminder, "Service is not available in all areas". I can't buy the new 500e here, but these points apply to any BEV.

The speed factor
Speed is the biggest impact factor on battery range. When highway driving at 130 km/h, at constant speed, the range of a 100% electric vehicle is almost halved compared to that of the WLTP cycle. Meanwhile, at constant urban driving speeds, the range can be extended beyond the WLTP cycle.

Driving habits matters
Eco-driving is key to maximizing the autonomy of electric vehicles. Smooth acceleration and gentle use of braking reduces energy consumption, whilst the one-pedal drive function maximizes the regenerative braking effect. Combined, these can help optimize autonomy by 15%-20%.

Source: Range & Batteries Charging | Fiat 500 Electric | Fiat

The laws of physics won't change when going from a city car to a muscle car. The same reality a 500e faces will exist for a battery electric Challenger or Charger. Converting 130 km/h into mp/h, we find that is a hair under 100 mph. Many drivers in America typically don't drive that fast, but another hard fact is that at 70 mph wind resistance starts consuming power exponentially for every mph over that speed.
 

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Dodge Teases Next Generation Of eMuscle Cars During EV Day 2021 Presentation:​

All-Electric Dodge Muscle Car Will Be Coming To Market In 2024...​


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With the era of supercharged HEMI engines coming to an end, Stellantis made sure that the Dodge brand was 1 of the 6 brands chosen from the 14 brand portfolio to discuss its future electrified intentions during the company’s EV Day 2021 presentation. In recent interviews, Dodge CEO Tim Kuniskis promised a special surprise for Dodge enthusiasts during the event. Instead of an unveiling, we were treated with a bit of information and a teaser of the future of Dodge electrified muscle cars or eMuscle cars as they are calling it.

Does anybody have inside information as to where and when it will be built ? I work at the Brampton Assembly plant and to build something like this we would need to be retooled . This isn’t the same as the platform we are building now . Our platform will be 20 years old by the end of our contract .
 

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I don't expect the platform to change for the new model, but the Architecture will,

It is my expectation that those who don't understand the nuisance will accuse Mopar of recycling the old E-class platform, which wasn't ever true.

If I read to tea leaves properly there will be modest carrier changes needed to accommodate the new models, but keep a eye out for them.

Given the volume on the EV market it likely to be build push roller style like other corporate low volume vehicles.
 

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You’re right about the volume for the all electric version but I read an article that said the new underpinnings would be shared with the new grand Cherokee . I’m not just asking about the all electric version but the inline six power train and hybrid option . One article discussed whether it would be built at Mack or Brampton .
 

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