Dodge Is Working On A New Performance UV To Replace Journey:

Dodge Is Working On A New Performance UV To Replace Journey:
New UV Vehicle To Feature HEMI Power...

Dodge Is Working On A New Performance UV To Replace Journey:

With the Journey and Grand Caravan running on borrowed time, the future of the Dodge brand has been questioned by many fans since only three models will remain (Charger, Challenger, and Durango). While performance models are said to be in the works like a Durango SRT Hellcat model and a...

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[TripleT]

I think too soon

 

[Rustydodge]

I'm probably in the minority, but..

The appeal of the current Journey is an entry priced 3 row SUV. The world does not need another "me too" 4 door 2 row crossover - chrysler, dodge, or otherwise.

If dodge goes 2 row only then it had better be legitimately performance biased with better effort than the Ford ST or GM RS editions.

 

[redriderbob]

I'm probably in the minority, but..

The appeal of the current Journey is an entry priced 3 row SUV. The world does not need another "me too" 4 door 2 row crossover - chrysler, dodge, or otherwise.

If dodge goes 2 row only then it had better be legitimately performance biased with better effort than the Ford ST or GM RS editions.

From what I hear the new "midsizer" will be a two-row only. Still can't wait to see how the UAW contracts turn out because we might be hearing about another product for Belvedere too.

 

[TripleT]

Journey sells a little margin. I suspect that Chrysler will have a replacement for the 3 row people mover hopefully a better vehicle and makes more money. I am instantly in the market for the New Dodge to replace the Durango now that we are empty nesters. In fact already looking at the Stelvio or Macan…. prefer to have the a Dodge.

If I want a hot 3 row then it the Durango SRT or a Scat Pack that should be out already.

Cheap low margin 3 row for sub-prime buyers doesn't fit Dodge at all anymore.

 

[Rustydodge]

Then to me, this doesn't replace the gap that will be left by the journey at all - it won't be decently priced, and it wont have 3 rows, and it is not utility oriented.

Sounds like the new chrysler - if we get it - will be what replaces the journey.

Dodge sells a lot of cheap low margin challengers and chargers. The cars prove you can still have pretty affordable entry level options within a model that still meets the performance brand criteria. I don't see why they couldn't do that with a true 3 row journey replacement - it doesn't have to go to chrysler. And it doesn't have to go to 2 row. Especially now that durango is rumored to go to BOF alongside the wagoneer.

 

[Deckard Cain]

I think it's a bit soon to rule out a third row. But the third row in the Journey was already a bit cramped...

 

[TripleT]

It not a Journey replacement...

If the Journey is replaced it will be Chrysler

 

[Bili]

I don't believe that any Journey replacement will keep such a low price or that it will keep the same form factor.

 

[Deckard Cain]

It will replace it in the sense that it will have midsize dimensions. The similarities stop there though.

 

[TripleT]

I don't believe that any Journey replacement will keep such a low price or that it will keep the same form factor.

If they make similar margins as the Journey.... then making the new model at all would be error.

 

[Rustydodge]

It not a Journey replacement...

If the Journey is replaced it will be Chrysler

That's what i'm saying - so the title of the thread and the article are incorrect to suggest otherwise?

 

[Rustydodge]

I think it's a bit soon to rule out a third row. But the third row in the Journey was already a bit cramped...

True, but that is no different then the vast majority of 3 row SUVs out here, including some fullsize (tahoe). Its part of the reason i own a durango instead of a Journey.

 

[Deckard Cain]

And that's why they'll have the new Durango. What's the point of Dodge having two 3-row SUVs?
They should differentiate them better then. Make the Journey successor a sporty SUV (with a PHEV version to capitalize on the Mach-e hype) and the body-on-frame Durango.
Those two plus a new Charger/Challenger pair would be a nice Dodge range.

 

[Rustydodge]

How many 3 row SUVs does GM have LOL Not saying we should follow their example though

FCA is adding 3 new 3 rows to jeep by my rumor count (GC 3 row, wagoneer, grand wagoneer). Why cant Dodge at least maintain their 2? And when Durango moves BOF dodge will not have a smaller unibody 3 row when journey is gone - IDK maybe that's OK. Already have read concerns about the BOF durango not being performance oriented enough.

Are 3 row SUVs not allowed to be performance oriented and therefore can only be a boring chrysler brand my grandma would drive?

 

[TripleT]

How many 3 row SUVs does GM have LOL Not saying we should follow their example though

FCA is adding 3 new 3 rows to jeep by my rumor count (GC 3 row, wagoneer, grand wagoneer). Why cant Dodge at least maintain their 2? And when Durango moves BOF dodge will not have a smaller unibody 3 row when journey is gone - IDK maybe that's OK. Already have read concerns about the BOF durango not being performance oriented enough.

Are 3 row SUVs not allowed to be performance oriented and therefore can only be a boring chrysler brand my grandma would drive?

Reality is midsized CUV 3rd rows are hardly suitable for humans.... this is midsized performance model Dodge already has a Durango as a true 3 row.... The difference between the GM 3 row minivans sorry CUV and minivan is small. FCA is not going back to the redundant model that GM clings too, so the Minivan model CUV clearly belongs to Chrysler, the current Journey was referred to by Diamler and then the New York robber barons as the Short Minivan replacement...……….. Not ever a performance oriented models so I don't know what a performance orient midsized 3 row looks like other than a Durango.... other than a 2 row with a jump seat.

 

[Bili]

IMO performance for Americans is RWD and are big and powerful or just powerful engines. Actually maybe a better word would be a torquey engines.

Dodge will provide American performance.

FWD cars limited to a naturally aspirated V6 or 2.0 turbo are people movers.

 

[TripleT]

Yes, I hope for the day when all the Dodges have the engines facing as god intended. That means less efficient packaging, which is less helpful for Compact/Midsized 3 row.

 

[Rustydodge]

Reality is midsized CUV 3rd rows are hardly suitable for humans.... this is midsized performance model Dodge already has a Durango as a true 3 row.... The difference between the GM 3 row minivans sorry CUV and minivan is small. FCA is not going back to the redundant model that GM clings too, so the Minivan model CUV clearly belongs to Chrysler, the current Journey was referred to by Diamler and then the New York robber barons as the Short Minivan replacement...……….. Not ever a performance oriented models so I don't know what a performance orient midsized 3 row looks like other than a Durango.... other than a 2 row with a jump seat.

The only difference b/w the GM "minivans" like acadia/traverse you berate and the current dodge durango is looks, V8, RWD bias. Explorer just copied current durango, so there is something right with the formula. So now the Durango is going BOF and with it will come decreased "performance" methinks. Is the GC 3row going to replace the current durango in reality?

There are a million 2 row mid-sized CUVs to choose from already. Dodge will be competing with Jeep as well as the rest of the industry here and newcomers like Mustang MachE. I don't see much practical difference between a sedan and these midsize 2 row CUVs similar to how you see little different between 3 row SUVs and minivans i suppose.

 

[Ryan]

There are a million 2 row mid-sized CUVs to choose from already. Dodge will be competing with Jeep as well as the rest of the industry here and newcomers like Mustang MachE. I don't see much practical difference between a sedan and these midsize 2 row CUVs similar to how you see little different between 3 row SUVs and minivans i suppose.

It's going to be punching above its weight. Similar to how the Charger is compared to the 5-series, I imagine it will be compared to the X3 and GLC, though with an emphasis on performance instead of luxury.

What other mainstream RWD-based 2-row performance oriented crossovers are there? Next Edge is rumored to go RWD, so that's one possible competitor.

 

[Bili]

I'm thinking about execution, about its height. Who knows, maybe it will be compared to A4 Allroad, I would even say A6 Allroad but its not available in US.