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Diesel Power Wagon
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devildodge
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The Powerwagon has a GVWR of 8565.
The Cummins weighs 900 more pounds than the Hemi.
On avg the Powerwagon has a payload of 1400lbs. Take 900 from that and you are looking at 500lb payload. That is the main reason.
Reason number 2 is that the intercooler is where the winch goes.
Reason number 3 is that a heavy diesel isnt optimum for offroading and limits the axle articulation and would put undo stress on the front locker...that has to survive for warranty
Another reason is the diesel emission do not like not being worked hard and slow non demanding speeds.
I can go on but you get the picture
The Cummins weighs 900 more pounds than the Hemi.
On avg the Powerwagon has a payload of 1400lbs. Take 900 from that and you are looking at 500lb payload. That is the main reason.
Reason number 2 is that the intercooler is where the winch goes.
Reason number 3 is that a heavy diesel isnt optimum for offroading and limits the axle articulation and would put undo stress on the front locker...that has to survive for warranty
Another reason is the diesel emission do not like not being worked hard and slow non demanding speeds.
I can go on but you get the picture
Tony K
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I challenge you to do your own research. Somehow my Google thinks it's German.
But would the 3.0 Ecodiesel work?
devildodge
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The 3.0l ecodiesel isnt rated for heavy Duty truck use. You can get it in the Rebel though. It is almost like a Powerwagon. Lol
devildodge
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The ecoDiesel is in the Half ton and rated at 7200lbs GVWR A Powerwagon has a base weight of 6950 to 7200lbs. See the issue. The ecoDiesel also tops out at 15000 GCWR...the Hemi 1500 can go to 17000 and the Powerwagon needs 18000 GCWR
Their would be no benefit with the ecoDiesel.
Their would be no benefit with the ecoDiesel.
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Not really, unless it was "built," but I'd be interested in what a diesel variant of the new GME T6 "Tornado" would bring to the table. Honestly, though, I think for a Power Wagon, you would need at a minimum 5 liters.
The entire vehicle is what determines the GVWR, transmission, axles, brakes, spring rates, etc. not just the engine. So that GVWR has more to do with being a Ram 1500 than it does with being an Ecodiesel. Also if the Powerwagon was like the original, a regular cab that would make a big difference.
devildodge
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Yea. I figured you new that
The diesel actually gets 100lbs a
Over the HEMI. But when you look at the GCWR the HEMI goes to 17000 the diesel dies at 15600.
You made my point exactly. The ecoDiesel is designed to be used in a light duty truck under 7500GVWR.
The Powerwagon is a derated HeavyDuty truck with a 8565 GVWR.
Which is why it wont live there.
If you want a "diesel powerwagon" you can always get an AEV Prospector XL. But the 3.0l Eco is not gonna work
WXman
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All of this is 100% true, and has been continually discussed by engineers being interviewed by auto media outlets over the years.
Yet, Ford offers the Tremor package on Super Duty, with 35s, a winch option, rear locker, front LS differential, lift, etc. etc......AND your choice of a gas engine or diesel engine, both of which trounce the 6.4L Hemi in horsepower and torque.
So at the end of the day, there is still no excuse for Ram to keep the Power Wagon where it's been since 2005.
Well, there would be two benefits: 50 lb/ft more torque and at a more usable RPM for off-road use, and probably around 85% more fuel economy.
From what I heard... Ram is working on an HD to compete with the Tremor.