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Chrysler Group Heads To “The Golden State” For The 2022 LA Auto Show!

Chrysler Group Heads To “The Golden State” For The 2022 LA Auto Show!​

Concepts, Unveilings, & New Models...​


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The LA Auto Show opens to the public on Friday, November 18th at the Los Angeles Convention Center, and FCA US, LLC is bringing a number of its new vehicles and concepts from its Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep®, FIAT, Ram Truck, and Wagoneer. Auto show attendees will also be able to participate in four consumer interactive experiences, including the popular Camp Jeep and Ram Truck Territory test tracks.

 

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Stelantis should really try as hard as they can and spend big so they can tank the brand faster and sell it to someone that might actually care for the name the brand has built and the fans that got it there
 

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Stelantis should really try as hard as they can and spend big so they can tank the brand faster and sell it to someone that might actually care for the name the brand has built and the fans that got it there
Nice first post..... you mean like when Fiat saved the brands from the scrapbook of HISTORY, when literally NO ONE was even willing to just take them for Free. Before building Dodge into the envy of the industry from a demographic perspective and bidding war for its old last year of models that are mostly sticker additions. Chrysler as a brand except for briefly in 90's with mostly models intended to be Eagles and Plymouths has always been a low volume niche brand.
 

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Stelantis should really try as hard as they can and spend big so they can tank the brand faster and sell it to someone that might actually care for the name the brand has built and the fans that got it there
You mean keep building tire spinning V8's that get eaten alive by AWD EV's? Somehow I dont think most people will mind driving to the track, running 8's without lifting a finger and then driving home, because that's where they are going.
 

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You mean keep building tire spinning V8's that get eaten alive by AWD EV's? Somehow I dont think most people will mind driving to the track, running 8's without lifting a finger and then driving home, because that's where they are going.
There had better be a way to recharge the batteries at the track, otherwise it will be a very long ride home on the back of a flatbed.
 

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There had better be a way to recharge the batteries at the track, otherwise it will be a very long ride home on the back of a flatbed.
Odd, I've never seen the 9 sec Teslas need a flat bed to get home. We must hang out at different tracks
 

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There had better be a way to recharge the batteries at the track, otherwise it will be a very long ride home on the back of a flatbed.
Like many people do already? It is easier to store energy as a liquid. But a few runs with race fuel you're going to have refuel.

I fully expect there to an EV only class.

BTW there are many companies creating reserve battery packs for recovery and rescue companies say like AAA and Onstar
 

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Before addressing the EV negativity. Did anyone notice the fact that so far we've seen three different versions of the Banshee? The one at the LA auto show is not the same as the one from SEMA nor is it the same as the one from Speedweek. The car they're showing at the LA auto show lacks the Fratzog logo on the grille, the taillamps are completely different, not just off but different, also the wheel and brake package is different. The wheels on this one are the same wheels from the one in the first preview commercial from "Performance made us do it" from the Stellantis EV day presentation, except these are not chrome, they're graphite. Also the brakes on this look different as well. The Banshee at SEMA had the single center locking hub along with slotted rotors while this car has exposed 5-lug wheels (first time that has been seen) along with non-slotted rotors. If anyone hasn't seen this car yet, check it out here
It took me a little while to get on board with this whole EV movement and if it weren't for Dodge, I'll be honest, I'd still dislike EVs and as a whole, I'm not really a fan of most of them. But It's also something new and we don't really know how it's going to work out. I feel like it's similar to how people felt when fuel injection came out. it was new and people were used to carburetors and changing jets in carbs and points and condensers on distributors and that kind of stuff. It's going to take a little bit to gain traction, especially with the enthusiasts but it's not terrible if done right. The thing is, Dodge is trying to give us something that we can relate to within the confines of what they've been given to work with and for what they've done, I can respect it, even if I don't fully agree with it. What I mean by that is the sound. The thing is, sound is subjective, some people love the sound of a V8, some love the sound of the Japanese inline-6 turbo cars, some love the sound of the Boxster engines. Personally, while I don't absolutely dislike the sound of the Banshee, admittedly it's goofy. What I do like is the idea behind what they've done. When I was younger, I spend years trying to find the perfect sound for my V6 performance cars and I realized early they'd never sound like a V8, but they could sound good for what they were. I finally got a few v8 muscle cars but I never lost sight of the fact that yes you can make other engines sound good. While EVs do not have internal combustion engines, they do make sound. So to to amplify and modify the sound that they make isn't the same as taking speakers and a V8 soundtrack and velcroing them to the bottom of a car. There was a goofy marketing statement that the sound is "electricity being turned into horsepower" or something silly like that. Anyone that has been around serious audio equipment knows that when powerful speakers are active, they move air! The thought of amplifying the sound the electric motor makes, changing frequencies and moving it through a sound chamber is no different than what you do when you're tuning a sound system, or an exhaust system for that matter and no one knows that better than Borla. Acoustically Tuned Applied Kinetics (ATAK), Polyphonic Harmonizing and all of the other Technology the company uses is no different than a company that tunes musical instruments and I'm quite sure that Borla is going to be right at the front of aftermarket systems for this vehicle and other EVs once the trend catches on. I'm not talking about speakers to make it sound like a V8, I'm talking about actual sound tuning technology since EVs will be mandated to make some sort of sound. Another thing about EVs is they're honestly going to be alot more tunable than most people realize, but not only that, there will also be a huge aftermarket in certain aspects of these new cars. Cooling systems. Similar to a high end gaming computer, these EV systems need cooling, especially for performance. Not to mention the fact that the car will have more than one gear which is beneficial for not only just emotion but also for range and torque delivery at higher speeds. All in all, it's new but it might not be as bad as some of of think its going to be.
 

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I got a chance to watch Ken Block's Electrikhana with the EV Audi. In watching that along with thinking of the RTR Mach E, it makes you realize that EVs can go full tilt for a while before having to recharge. Now I understand these vehicles are dedicated performance machines with only racing in mind, however, for the average person buying a performance EV, this kind of drain on the car's power supply isn't going to be a normal thing. Even to spend a day at an EV track event or a day at the drag strip, how many passes or runs can you make during the few hours spent at the track? Also, once electrification comes into full swing, chances are, there will be more accomidations for people running EVs for Charging. As it stands, alot of level 3 Charging systems can give an 80% Charge in about a half hour. With Tesla, their proprietary supercharging system gives roughly a 50% charge in 20-minutes. An 80% charge should be more than enough to get a person from the strip back to their homes or give a recharge in the middle of the day for more lap time while taking a break for lunch. Pretty soon, every parking lot could be a potential solar powered charging station which means cars can be charged while a person is grocery shopping, at work or even out to diner or anything and at the track, I would figure most charging stations would be level 3 systems because of the types of cars that would be present and I would think they would be level-3 compatible. I think once Dodge gets the tweaks done that are needed for the production version of the EV Charger, I think it's going to be a sweet ride. Honestly I'm hoping that an EV Durango breaks cover with the same type of equipment the Charger has, similar to how the Durango currently is the Charger of the SUV world. That along with a Dakota EV pickup on the STLA large platform with the same type of performance equipment along with being able to be off road capable like the new Jeep EV that is based on the STLA Large platform would be absolutely awesome. Dodge could genuinely take the EV world by storm and offer everything that we love about Dodge right now, just with electric powertrains. When I say Dodge I include Ram in that but not just them. Chrysler and Jeep could definitely be the go-to for American EV vehicles. There is nothing stopping the Ram brand from busting out with not only an EV RAm 1500 but a Ramcharger as well that could go up against the Tahoe, Suburban, Yukon and the new Hummer in both SUV And SUT form. The Jeep Wagoneer S is already on the way with 600hp from EV technology, the Grand WAgoneer could easily follow suit as a premium electric luxury SUV as it's not engineered to be loud, but premium luxury. Jeep has a new Electric both here and overseas but honestly why not have the models as global models. The Jeep Avenger would sell very well in the states as a replacement for the small jeep models here. Minivans are perfect candidates for being BEVs since their weight is down low and they all have flat floors for storage and mobility. Not to mention a new Dodge Grand Caravan Banshee would actually be the coolest minivan ever! I could go on forever but the point is. EVs have so much flexability in what can be done with them, not just for right lane commuters but for left lane enthusiasts as well. Granted I don't feel this way about Most other brands but I would go full EV as long as its a MOPAR.
 

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The battery electric Wagoneer will offer a good glimpse of what will be under the skin of the Dodge Durango replacement. I believe the Ram BEV pickup will also share this technology since all 3 are based on the STLE frame platform.

I don't have a problem with EVs as a general concept. I do have a problem with the lies and deception about the state of the supporting charging infrastructure. A lot more is needed in the USA and the timeline is way too optimistic, IMO.

On an individual model by model basis some EVs are just plain stupid. The Hummer EV is a prime example with its 5 ton curb weight and barn door frontal area. The reviews on it are not good either. At the other end of the spectrum, the new Fiat 500e is a winner in efficiency, reliability and has garnered a lot of positive reviews.
 

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Wagoneer "S" BEV is on the STLA Large platform, not the STLA Frame. Same as the Banshee, the Chrysler Airflow, and the Jeep Recon.

Just in my own thoughts and opinions, the problem with Charging infrastructure and timing is that they're going about it the wrong way. Truth is, we have an endless supply of Solar energy. Every large parking lot could easily become a solar powered charging station. Job sites, grocery stores, malls, restaurants, laundromats, public parking streets, etc. They all have the potential to be charging locations. Not to mention, all commercial buildings should be converted to solar energy and produce their own electricity, that would take huge loads off of the power grid along with burning alot less fossil fuels and promoting a cleaner environment. The target has been placed on the auto industry but really it should have been placed on industry itself. Solar, wind, water and hydrogen energy should be where we get 80% of our energy from across the board. As of right now, I totally agree with you about the timelines and the lles about what it going on with infrastructure and all of that though.

The EV world is actually pretty interesting and it's expanding so rapidly it's crazy! It's nice to see the diversity of different models, some for ultimate efficiency and some just for being the ultimate showoff. Personally I'm not a huge fan of most EV's outside of whatever Mopar & GM are doing but it's cool to see something different and to watch the aftermarket perforamnce and cosmetic market adapt to the new technology that's coming out.
 

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Its the same grey car they showed in Detroit, they painted it red for SEMA and added 4 drag radial and wheels (many reports it was freshly painted) and then just swapped out the wheels for LA. Nothing else is different the lights are just off at LA auto show.
 

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Its the same grey car they showed in Detroit, they painted it red for SEMA and added 4 drag radial and wheels (many reports it was freshly painted) and then just swapped out the wheels for LA. Nothing else is different the lights are just off at LA auto show.
guess they changed the brakes too from the center hub design to a 5-lug setup. they did say different pkgs would have different parts. Idk what they did with the fratzog logo on the front because it's definitely not on this car
 

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